Google| Subject | Re: Reading LotR and the newsgroups |
| From | Shanahan |
| Date | 08/20/2004 05:46 (08/19/2004 20:46) |
| Message-ID | <cg3jpg02dsc@enews1.newsguy.com> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.fan.tolkien,rec.arts.books.tolkien |
| Follows | Christopher Kreuzer |
| Followups | Conrad Dunkerson (5h & 35m) > Shanahan Christopher Kreuzer (19h & 55m) |
Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard@blueyonder.co.uk>typed:
Christopher KreuzerNow, *that's* a potentially inflammatory question! I ain't even gonna touch it! <g>
Shanahan <pogues@bluefrog.com>wrote:Shanahan
Christopher Kreuzer <spamgard@blueyonder.co.uk>declared:Christopher KreuzerChristopher KreuzerShanahan
[We _are_ really there, you know...] [Even when you're reading...]
Lurking behind me unseen -- but are you Refusers, or Lingerers?
In the context of the newsgroups, what would those beings be?
And in the context of Middle-earth, are you referring to the fate of dead and lingering Elves?Yes I'm assuming that The Aft/Rabt Posse lurking over me in my living room are incorporeal. It's going to get a bit crowded in here, otherwise! So you must be either: the f?ar of the dead who refuse Mandos' summons and who might therefore be evil (or at least rebellious); or, the f?ar of living Elves who have "burned out" their bodies and become invisible to mortal eyes. I used the wrong word, though; on re-reading the passage, I see that T. uses the terms 'Houseless' or 'Unbodied', not 'Refusers'.
Here's a question for one of you text experts: I'm referring to the essay 'Of Re-Birth and Other Dooms of Those That Go to Mandos', in Later QS (II), in _Morgoth's Ring_. So, is that considered "canon" on this matter, or not?
Ciaran S. -- "You feel sober?" "I feel _pain_." "Yah, that's sober as I remember it." - p. cadigan
08/20/2004
