Snit Digest: Tilde
06/22/2009
This took place a long time ago, but since Michael is still bringing it up again and again, here is a summary of the issue:
05/14/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>

How many brain cells does it take to be able to remove a widget from its folder and relaunch dashboard (or restart)?MacSlut
It is not a matter of intelligence, but technical competence. Look in Apple's support site for removing Widgets:
docs.info.apple.com...
You cannot remove widgets from the Widget Bar or change their order.
Ouch!Snit
Michael says "Ouch!" to the Apple article that says you can't remove widgets. The article doesn't exist anymore, and the article regarding OSX 10.4 and dashboard clearly states that in order to remove Widgets, you "click the Manage Widgets button when the widget bar is open". But this is knowledge base article with ID 2035, the one Snit linked to is 2037. Either way, the article Snit linked to contained incorrect information, but his response was just "Ouch!" leading one to believe that he agreed with the article that there was no way to remove Widgets.
The topic at the time was auto-installed Widgets and malware, but that topic was between Snit and MacSlut. To correct Snits (and possibly Apples) misinformation, Tim Adams responded with this:
05/14/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$> (24.41.15.88)

If you want to remove a widget from the Widget bar, open your hard drive, open the folder called 'Library' then the folder called 'Widget' and remove the item you no longer want to appear in the bar.Tim Adams
This is of course factually correct. But Snit doesn't acknowledge this, but rather hangs up on the fact that user-installed widgets doesn't end up there
05/14/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Daniel Johnson <>

"That's not where these auto-installed widgets go. You should open your *home directory*, then Library, then Widgets."
Which also is true. TIm responds (to Daniel, but on the same subject) by stating that he wasn't talking about the user-installed widgets, but was countering the information from Apple that Snit linked to
05/14/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$> (24.41.15.88)

" Except I'm not talking about these 'auto-installed widgets' but the statement, from Apple, posted by snit that you couldn't remove widgets from the widget bar. You can do so real easy"
The fact that he was in fact in reference to the quoted part of Apples information is clear since he also spoke about how to change the widgets order in his first post.
Wally chimes in with:
05/15/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Wally <>

"Actually, if you are referring to Tim I would say that he has never mentioned "auto-downloaded widgets" other than to say that he was not referring to them when he responded to Snit when Snit mentioned the specific statement made by Apple about removing Widgets"
Which of course is true, Tim never claimed to be talking about user-installed widgets. I am calling them user-installed here for a reason, since "auto-installed" is ambiguous and Tim also wrote this:
05/15/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$> (24.41.15.88)

Except I'm not talking about these 'auto-installed widgets' but the statement, from Apple, posted by snit that you couldn't remove widgets from the widget bar. You can do so real easy.Tim Adams
Where you pointed me to would not let me remove all Widgets - and none of the ones in question, the auto-installed ones.Snit
Well; I was able to remove every single widget on my system without any problem at all. Including auto-installed ones.Tim Adams
Missing from this is Tim explicitly claiming that user-installed Widgets can be removed from /Library/Widgets, so either he is still in reference to Apples information about not being able to remove widgets and insisting (correctly) that you can remove them and he has been able to remove them on his system, including the auto-installed ones.
Now, it's also possible that the phrase "auto-installed" could refer to the Apple-installed in his context, since they are indeed automatically installed to the system when you install Tiger. This notion is supported by this passage:
05/16/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$> (24.41.15.88)

"Wally - I removed ALL of the widgets on my system by doing just what I said I did. Opened the folder /library/widget and moved everything in it to an untitled folder on my desktop. I then rebooted. Upon restart, there were NO widgets left in Dashboard. Period."
Obviously Tim hasn't installed any widgets apart from the ones provided by Apple, meaning that "every single widget" is then contained in /Library/Widgets
And this show this without a doubt:
05/16/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$> (24.41.15.88)

"You might also note that snit 'claims' widgets are in the ~/library/widget folder with ~ standing for the users home directory. In my case anyway this is totally NOT true as mine are all stored in the Macintosh HD/Library/Widget folder - Not in the Macintosh HD/Users/timadams/library/widget folder."
And if there is still any doubt:
05/20/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Tim Adams <teadams$2$0$0$> (24.41.15.88)

"I was clearly responding to YOUR posting which included a link to Apple's web site that dealt with Widgets - Apple Widgets, NOT auto-installed ones like you now try to claim. I even went so far as to clearly state that FACT in a second message, I believe directed at Daniel and referenced by Wally."
There you have it, Tim explicitly stating what he was in reference to. Snit responds to this and says that Tim is incorrect, insisting that Tim was in reference to user-installed Widgets
05/20/2005 Re: Dashboard, Malware, and a Theory
Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>

"You are, as is your norm, incorrect"
And this is the typical Snit circus. Snit is again found to tell others what they meant in spite of them just outlining precisely what they meant. It is especially ironic considering the following quote:
Once someone clarifies their views it should be acceptedSnit