Sandman
In article <C0CF6F61.53F03%SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>, Snit <SNIT@CABLE0NE.NET.INVALID>wrote:

You're ignoring and blocking again. Neither of these alleged "trolls" have huge Snit-like network of people calling us trolls.

Snit
Group think does not replace logic.

Sandman
No one said it does.

Snit
With that said, please support your claims of who does and does not have any network of people calling whoever names... and then explain why I or anyone should care who calls who names.

Sandman
I've already told you were to look for it. You snipped and ran.

Snit
What evidence do you have that they do?

Sandman
Reading the group, of course. People like Steve Carroll, Elizabot, Wally, Tim and me doesn't have this long threads that go back and forth for ages with anyone else but you. It's only with you.

Snit
Who else questions their - and your - lies as much as I do?

Sandman
Given the fact that I never lie, the above question is non sequitur.

Actually, other people that can muster up long threads are known trolls that do it just to mess with people. Like Edwin, Tom, Mayor to name a few oldies.

Snit
Why are you against long threads?

Sandman
Who said I am?

Snit
To the extent that you and the other mentioned trolls "flock" around me the answer is clear - you do the same thing to *anyone* who points out your lies.

Sandman
Such as?

Snit
Well, who else points out your lies?

Sandman
Non sequitur.

Snit
Nobody does so as often as I do

Sandman
Well, you have pointed to zero lies and no one has pointed to less than that, so that's true.

But it's you who constantly snip and run, however.

Snit
But, of course, you cannot support that accusations because....

Sandman
Other from the fact that I did support it, you mean?

Snit
Do you need me, again, to show examples where you and they sink to dishonest snipping?

Sandman
Do you need me to show you snipping? You did it in the very post I'm replying to. Go figure.

Snit
Incorrect... unless you count your very long and silly .sig or whatever it is you spew at the end of so many of your posts. Would you feel better if I left that rubbish of yours in? If so, why? Heck, even if you cannot give a reason, if it makes you feel better I will leave your end-rubbish in.

Sandman
Desperation at its best. You even openly admitted that you snipped and ran from the previous post.

Snit
You can say that if you wish, but without an example your claim is just another of your empty accusations.

Sandman
Example? I specifically mentioned "this post".

Snit
Ah, I do not quote your end-rubbish. I did not know that offended you. I shall leave it in if you like.

Sandman
No, keep running from it, it contains reality and facts, and is objective - and REQUESTED from you. It's a lot more funny if you keep running from it.

Snit
For the record: I have no obligation to respond to your reams of obfuscation, even if you dishonestly label it "evidence".

Sandman
And I have no obligation to respond to your trolling circus

Snit
Please define what you mean by "trolling circus".

Sandman
Your trolling.

The dog shit example. Done.

Snit
You mean when I *honestly* quote Edwin and you and he lie about it.

Sandman
No, I mean how you dishonestly attribute that quote to him.

Snit
I do wish you to support your claim. Please do.

Sandman
Done.

Snit
Your lies are not support.

Sandman
Good, since I never lie.

Snit
Wow... do you often have BS after your "end-rubbish"? I rarely look. Heck, until this post I had never noticed your link to your site where you talk about what makes you a troll.

Sandman
Role reversal, ignoring evidence, Obfuscation.

Snit
Let's see, which of your criteria do you often match?

Sandman
Sure.

Snit
Diversion - you do it often. Heck, why else do you post your end-rubbish?

Sandman
Never happened.

Snit
Having an agenda - you make it clear you have an agenda to bad-mouth me. I mean, wow, look at how much you try to make me look as bad as you. Pathetic.

Sandman
Nopes. I rarely jump in to thread like you do.

Snit
Lying - you do this repeatedly. Need examples?

Sandman
Never done, as opposed to you.

Snit
Role Reversal - again, you do this often, pretending that when I and others write about you we did not *really* mean you.

Sandman
Yes, I sometimes do this.

Snit
Insults - as has been noted, you spew lots of personal insults.

Sandman
Nopes, as opposed to you.

Snit
Forging posts and material - well, above you support Edwin forging quotes he, and you, claim are mine.

Sandman
Nopes.

Snit
Unsubstantiated "refutations" - perhaps your trademark. Look at how often you did this in the whole Dreamweaver debate.

Sandman
Yes, it happend exactly zero times.

Snit
Thread hijacking - Your spewing your flames has nothing to do with Apple ads.

Sandman
You specifically requested an Objective Troll Criteria, I am accomodating your request. Live with it.

Snit
Projection - need examples of you doing this repeatedly? Much of it would overlap with your role reversal.

Sandman
Nopes.

Snit
Unsubstantiated accusations - see the section on your insults... you do this very often.

Sandman
Incorrect.

Snit
Antagonizing through other media - how many times do you mention me in your web site? You take this one to the extreme!

Sandman
As requested by you.

Snit
Quote-scavanging - look at how many posts of mine you "scavenged" for your antagonizing site. Any reason not to count those?

Sandman
They don't apply.

Snit
Antagonizing threads - if you find threads designed to reduce the obfuscation of trolls to be antagonizing then that is your problem. I do not follow your threads enough to know if you do this one...

Sandman
Never, as opposed to you.

Snit
Ignoring evidence - Your utter denial of your lying and your ignorance as shown in the Dreamweaver thread. No need to say anything more, this fits you to a T.

Sandman
Nopes.

Snit
Obfuscation - again, look at the recent discussions on Dreamweaver. It was darn near impossible to stop you from spewing obfuscations. When I found a way to reduce the effects of your obfuscation, no doubt you found it to be antagonizing.

Sandman
Never happened.

Snit
You unambiguously fit 13 of the 14 you list. Thanks for showing what makes you such a troll.

Sandman
Haha! I do ONE occasionally. :-D

And you conveniently left out "sock puppet" :-D

Snit
While you can find no legitimate flaw in what I say

Sandman
Other than all the flaws I already found and proved to be lies, of course - which means the entire thing.

Snit
Sandman fits his own criteria: Unsubstantiated accusations

Sandman
Where's the accusation? Are the words to complex for you?

Typical Michael ignore mode. Evidence was given to you in the very post you replied to.

Snit
Sandman fits his own criteria: Unsubstantiated accusations

Sandman
Where's the accusation? What you just did was an unsubstantiated acccusation.

Snit
I grow bored with your post. I snipped the rest.

Sandman
Of course, it had facts in it - so you snipped and ran from it.

Snit
You think far too highly of your endless battering.

Sandman
At least I'm honest, as opposed to you.