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SubjectRe: Snit Socks Coming Out Of The Wood Work
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Date11/30/2015 23:56 (11/30/2015 15:56)
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On 11/30/15, 3:40 PM, in article sandman-28dcef5c992f2413834528c79190fb05@individual.net, "Sandman" <mr@sandman.net>wrote:

Sandman
In article <D281FDBC.65921%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>, Snit wrote:

I haven't got the medical/psychiatric expertise to talk about anxiety in any capacity, but I do agree that it's a sign of poor character to let a mental illness affect people around you in a negative manner.

Snit
And, let me guess, a sign of poor character for someone with MS to have to use a wheelchair? After all, a "real man" can walk for himself!

Really, the level of ignorance you are showing here is amazing!

Sandman
I bet, since the "level of ignorance" was expressed by you and you alone.

Slimer started by saying someone with morals and values would not "submit" to anxiety... which is as ignorant as saying someone with morals and values would not "submit" to MS. He also said:

Slimer: ----- I'm not saying that he should "get over it," I'm saying that real men wouldn't even be affected by things such as anxiety. ----- Those are his EXACT words. Completely indefensible and deeply ignorant.

If you know you're not feeling well you should take extra care to not let this affect the ones that are around you.

Snit
If a service member who is suffering from PTSD and this impacts their life in a severe way is merely "not feeling well" and should make sure it does not affect anyone else.

Sandman
Indeed. It should be in any person's interest not see him- or herself as a victim and let others suffer from it.

Sure. But having such an illness DOES impact most people's families.

A lot of people with PTSD (which isn't exclusive to former soldiers)

Agreed. I used that as an example (in part because of Owl who was denying that military members and others even exist!)

turn to drugs and alcohol, severely worsening their state and the life of those around them, instead of getting medical and psychological treatment to help them deal with their situation in the way that benefits them, and the ones in their life the most.

Agreed. And to them I say they should seek out treatment... and to US society I say shame on us for not treating such vets and others in need better.

PTSD (or other mental problems) isn't a choice, it's how you live with it that's the choice. Taking responsibility for your own actions is the first step to getting to grips with the situation. Realizing that you cannot blame your mental illness for treating others bad is another. If you suffer from PTSD, you deserve all the help and treatment that is available to you, but if you treat people bad, they will not want to help you, and you end up alienating others which in turn makes matters worse for yourself.

For the most part I agree... though such illnesses can lead to people, even doing their best, treating others poorly or being more dependant than they want to be. This is also true of many other illnesses.

Slimer
He doesn't want to convince anyone; he simply wants to destroy whatever your viewpoint is.

Sandman
Well, he's pretty lousy at that, so I'm not sure...

Snit
And things you claim to be sure of you are still wrong about!

Sandman
Or so you claim, but thus far, you haven't been able to convince anyone about it, right?

Who I convince? What? Heck, most of those who troll me in COLA do so just to troll. You are not stupid and know, for example, your CSS did not validate. You were convinced by the evidence and even altered it so it would validate. But then you lied about it. So you are a great example of the groups "who I convince" and "who admits to such" being different. I am one of the few in COLA / CSMA who openly and quite consistently admits when I am wrong.

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