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Re: Is RGB to Lab lossy? -...

Savageduck
SubjectRe: Is RGB to Lab lossy? - was(Re: Lenses and sharpening)
FromSavageduck
Date10/09/2014 20:55 (10/09/2014 11:55)
Message-ID<2014100911552918425-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>
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FollowsPeterN
FollowupsJohn McWilliams (8h & 30m) > Savageduck

On 2014-10-09 17:49:40 +0000, PeterN <peter@verizon.net>said:

PeterN
On 10/9/2014 12:26 PM, Savageduck wrote:

Savageduck
On 2014-10-09 15:47:57 +0000, PeterN <peter@verizon.net>said:

PeterN
On 10/8/2014 10:51 PM, Ron C wrote:

Ron C
On 10/7/2014 3:52 PM, PeterN wrote:

Martin Brown
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PeterN
Thanks, What you and Dr. Brown say makes sense. From a photo standpoint I will continue to keep LAB in my workflow, while trying not to overdue it.

There is an interesting discussion on using LAB to control color saturation at:

<http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t308>

though it may have been posted before.

Ron C
I'd tend to think of Lab mode as just another tool to work with as needed. The more tools the better, but do take the time to learn the range and limitations of the stuff in your tool box.

Anyway, sticking my neck out (for what little it may be worth), I pulled the squirrel photo out from the above "..dgrin.com/.. " thread and had a go with it in Lab space.

I've posted the before and my after in my photobucket if anyone may care. < http://s1351.photobucket.com/user/Editorial_Minstrel/library/Lab%20tests

< http://tinyurl.com/kyrt87u >

I'm guessing similar results could be had in RGB space.

=>>>>Later... Ron C

PeterN
LAB is indeed another tool that can be useful. Here is an example of saturation differences.

<http://blog.epicedits.com/2007/12/20/photoshop-technique-lab-saturation-adjustments/>

Yet

when

That

Savageduck
is a 7+ year old article, much has changed both with photoshop, ACR and some very useful plug-ins which do a better job than resorting to LAB. So, regardless of whether a LAB in & out cycle is lossy or not, the question remains; for other than some arcane specialized purpose, why bother with LAB?

There are very good plug-ins from NIK, OnOne, AlienSkin, Intensify Pro (for Mac users only), and even the dreaded Topaz.

For the saturation adjustment try exploring NIK Viveza 2.

I am not even going to address sharpening in LAB given the current proficiency of the tools we have available without LAB, and the obvious polarizing stance of folks in this room.

As for dealing with the haze issue look no further than some of the tools available in NIK Color Efex Pro 4, or even better embrace the haze and make if a part of the image.

There isn't much point in discussing the capabilities of Intensify Pro here for our Windows users, other than to say it makes an interesting alternative for the Mac user to some of the other more costly plug-ins for $24.99.

PeterN
The fact is that very little can be done in any plug-in that can't be done in PS. Almost anything can be done in both RGB & LAB. LAB is a lot easie, and faster for some processes. that gives more flexability, which is a good thing. Getting into a tool war, is meaningless, unless there is a reasonable accurate description of what eah plug-in does.

Do the research, & experimenting, you have the plug-ins.

Habing said that, I am annoyed that the oil paint filter was removed from CC 2014.

to the best of my recollection the "Oil Paint" filter and one other were add-ons back with CS5. I see that it isn't there in CC (2014). So I checked with the "Filter Gallery" and I see that will only be available in 8-Bit mode, and "Oil Paint" is absent from that.

So, for now if you want to use the "Oil Paint" filter you will have to uses PS CC or CS6.

That said I am sure that with some digging about it can be located and installed. Perhaps Adobe support might be able to help.

-- Regards,

Savageduck