Subject | Re: Lenses and sharpening |
From | Sandman |
Date | 09/20/2014 10:29 (09/20/2014 10:29) |
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This is false.Eric StevensSandmannospamSandmanEric StevensEric Stevensnospam
And I have pointed out that you cannot reverse a change which has not actually been made. Even if it is reversible, you can't reverse something before you have done it.
the change *has* been made, just not to the pixels themselves.
And to what has the change been made?
To the pixels. nospam is incorrect here. All LR adjustments are applied to a preview file and saved to disk.
the changes are rendered on the fly and may be cached to disk (which is the preview file you're talking about). the latter is optional.
It's not optional. All images in LR are always rendered as previews. They are kept inside your LR library.
That's true, but all the preview images I have looked at are between about 50% and 20% of the size of the original.
They clearly can't contain as much data or be reconstructed to form a final export image.Depends on whether or not you're exporting a full resolution image, Eric. Just as I said.
In otherwords, what you have in these files is not an edited version of the original image.Incorrect. Otherwise they wouldn't be previews.
Nor do you have to rely on the LR database to store the changes you make in an edit.Yes, you do.
You can set up LR to store them in the sidecar files as well.As well, not only. The database is still needed by LR. The sidecar is for the benefit of third party applications.
Most other software does not rely on a database but stores the edit data in a sidecar file.Irrelevant.
We know you have described it badly, and are incorrect.Eric StevensnospamSandman
it is not a pixel editor.
Sure it is, only in another sense than old Photoshop. Every single adjustment you make in LR are applied to the pixels and saved to disk as a preview image. Difference is that the original file is always kept intact so every step is fully reversible.
It's not made to the original image: it's made to what I have described as a (reduced size) simulacrum of the original image.
*yes*you*can* if you save it to a format that supports it, you ignorant fool. Save it as a TIFF and all adjustment layers are right there.SandmanEric Stevens
In fact - using smart filters in Photoshop is *less* of a pixel editor than LR these days, because the pixels are never touched, it's all kept in RAM and the resulting image is never saved to disk until you export/save it. Also, fully reversible of course. :)
With few exceptions, once you have made the changes and saved/exported the image, you cannot reverse the changes *in*the*exported/saved*image*.
That's what all this argument has been about. The reason you cannot reverse the changes is that most of them will not be fully reversible.All of them are 100% reversible.
One of the few exceptions is Gaussian blur and HPS.And all other image effects as well.