Google| Subject | Re: Another step towards Windows |
| From | Sandman |
| Date | 09/04/2014 11:32 (09/04/2014 11:32) |
| Message-ID | <slrnm0gcs3.tam.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
| Follows | Lloyd Parsons |
In article <c6p2qmFidgoU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
As I've shown, this isn't something that has changed. iOS7 and iOS8 is as colorful as iOS6 and earlier. No less color, no "duller" color, or paler color.Lloyd ParsonsLloyd ParsonsSandman
2. Very eye-popping colors everywhere, not so anywhere on the iPhone.
Sure, you like lots of colors, that's fine. But that's not something "new" or something that Apple has changed. iOS and OSX has never been particularly colorful.
While that is true, the differences weren't as pronounced as they are In iOS 7 today and iOS8 and OSX Yosemite of tomorrow.
Not at all. I am the one that have been providing substantiation, remember? I'm not nit picking at all, just trying to understand because we're obviously looking at different iOS and OSX images.SandmanLloyd Parsons
You gace the impression that due to the direction Apple is currently going, iOS/OSX is becoming "ugly" and Windows Phone is "pretty", so you switched. But so far, nothing you've said has illustrated this change in any way.
It has, you just don't agree with my conclusions or comments. So you've decided to pick a few nits here and there.
As I've shown, this isn't true. iOS7 hasn't more "washed out" or "pastel" colors. It's less 3D, that's all. If anything, the colors are more vibrant today than they were earlier.SandmanLloyd Parsons
You're now talking about WP being more colorful than iOS, which it most certainly is - but then again, it has *always* been that, so there no obvious reason why you should have switched today rather than three years ago.
Sure there is. 3 years ago the colors weren't as washed out and all Pastel as they are now and going forward.
Now if you disagree with That, I really have to question your credibility about why your are so Dogged in your pursuit of this.It's not a matter of disagreement, Lloyd. I have presented facts, with images and screenshots that shows that there isn't less color, there isn't "dull" colors, there isn't faded or pastel colors in comparison.
You are, of course, free to provide your own data that contradict the data I have provided, where colors are faded/dull/pastel in comparison.
Well, the difference is so small it's hardly worth mentioning:Lloyd ParsonsThen on the computer, just Safari is enough to make your eyes strain. Tabs are barely separated and the shading between active and non-active tabs is almost nothing at all on a non-retina screen. Discernible on the Retina screens though.Sandman
Fine, but then again, this is how they have looked since forever. Nothing have changed, or is changing, with regards to the "shading between tabs" in Safari. I'm perfectly fine with you disliking this part of one application on OSX, I just have a hard time understanding how this can be the sole reason for switching?
No, in fact Safari hasn't looked like this in the previous versions.
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>That's between Safari 1 and Safari 7.
On the phone for me, that isn't anything to worry about as browser Pretty much suck on all phones IMO. And this shading of washed out Colorings is all over the place in the new OS's from Apple and in their apps.I wish there was some way you could show this, though.
When did I claim I think it looks better? What's with the attitude? Why are you taking this so personally?SandmanLloyd Parsons
I.e. I would have been totally ok with you posting about "Hey you guys, I've moved to WIndows Phone now. Frankly, I think it looks better" but you've been alluding to the direction Apple is going, as if they're changing something and you want to blame this change for your switch. But you've been unable to quantify that.
Who actually cares if you are OK with me switching? I don't recall Mentioning that as an issue for me. You think it looks better, I don't, I think it looks worse.
Of course they will - the only question is when.Lloyd ParsonsBasically in most forums the gut feeling is that Yosemite has been more optimized for Retina screens over the others, yet only some of the laptops even have Retina screens.Sandman
This may be true, I haven't tested Yosemite enough to have an opinion about that. Retina screens are the future, so it's not illogical to assume this.
And if Retina screens were on all new devices from Apple, it would make very good sense and provide an impetus for users to get new Hardware. But there isn't any solid evidence that Retina screens are Going to be on all devices though there are some weak rumors.
So, no answer, huh?Of course once you're in an app, the app is controlling most of this. Which means that 3rd party Apps look and feel hasn't changed while most, if not all, of Apple's Will either at launch of Yosemite or soon thereafter.Sandman
Change from what to what? Pretty to Ugly? They're using the same color palette, but are using a lot less 3D-ish design. And I have a hard time imagining that you're complaining about them becoming flat while talking about switching to Windows. :-D
That's a lot of parameters! :)Lloyd ParsonsLloyd ParsonsSandman
The new default font may have been around for quite awhile, but after Seeing it in Yosemite, I can understand why I never saw it used Anywhere.
Again, this is Helvetiva Neue, you're seeing it *everywhere*. It's one of the world's most famous font faces.
You keep saying that, but I've yet to see it in anything else as skinny as it is on iOS7 and Yosemite. Provide some links to place and Things using it that are not big screens or big pictures or whatever.
You said you hadn't seen it used anywhere, but it's used a lot in signs and things like that. Not sure how I would "link" to something like that. Many fonts are also derivatives of Helvetica.
Hehe, sure.Lloyd ParsonsTo say it sucks would not even come close to how bad I perceive it.Sandman
Fine, you don't have to like the font, but designers all over the world disagree with you.
Then I disagree with those designers. But since you've only claimed How widely it is used and provided no actual proof, the jury is out on That.
Here's some clothing that you can buy: <http://typographyshop.com/helvetica_t-shirt.html>
Here's a sign for a church: <http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/helvetica/stmarylebow.jpg>
House numbers you can buy: <http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9b/1a/d2/9b1ad223790e791588e5aebf8c7a6884.jpg>
More clothing: <http://rlv.zcache.com/helvetica_neue_tshirt-r9bbb57a1f2c24aee91d27243348c787b_vj7lt_324.jpg>
A coffee mug: <http://i1.cpcache.com/product/558739428/helvetica_neue_ceramic_travel_mug.jpg?height=460&width=460&qv=90>
It's also used in the Sears logo, and in fact also the Microsoft logo. Nestlé, Toyota, Target, 3M, Staples, Lufthansa and Jeep are examples of company logos using Helvetica.
There was even a Helvetica documentary film, first ever about a typeface (as far as I'm aware of).
What's with the insults, Lloyd? When did I insult you? Be careful, or you'll jhave Ed breathing down your neck. Oops, sorry, no you won't - since that would be the truth. :)Lloyd ParsonsLastly, I have made the change for reasons that I perfectly understand. That you don't seem to is not of a concern to me and I Will not keep going in this somewhat drifted thread on this particular Part.Sandman
Again, I didn't expect you to, either.
Mostly because you figure that only the very patient or idiotic would Keep going after you blather on I suppose... :)
-- Sandman[.net]
08/28/2014-
