Sandman
In article <c6mlsrFtl4pU1@mid.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons wrote:

Just to put some images behind those words, here's some of the differences:

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And since we've established that it's not the "flatness" itself that you're having problems with (since Windows Phone is the definition of super flat), it's something else.

You've talked about "pastel colors"; but the color scheme is pretty much identical in that screenshot. Here's another:

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Again, less 3D, same exact colors.

Again, I'm not trying to change your mind here, I am trying to understand why Yosemite is ugly and Mavericks is pretty when the only difference I can make out is that Yosemite is more flat, which just can't be what you're in reference to, given the platform you're moving to.

So, as I've said - I'm obivously missing something about this "ugly" thing, and while I don't expect to agree with you, I would really like to understand your claims.

Lloyd Parsons
A couple things to note on the newest Windows Phones with WP8.1. 1. Transparent tiling, very nice as I said in a previous post. Gives A much better overall look and feel to the start screen and certainly Much more lively and colorful that the iPhone. Overall the iPhone 'start' screens are fairly mundane now in comparison to WP and Android.

2. Very eye-popping colors everywhere, not so anywhere on the iPhone.

Sandman
Sure, you like lots of colors, that's fine. But that's not something "new" or something that Apple has changed. iOS and OSX has never been particularly colorful.

You gace the impression that due to the direction Apple is currently going, iOS/OSX is becoming "ugly" and Windows Phone is "pretty", so you switched. But so far, nothing you've said has illustrated this change in any way.

You're now talking about WP being more colorful than iOS, which it most certainly is - but then again, it has *always* been that, so there no obvious reason why you should have switched today rather than three years ago.

Lloyd Parsons
Then on the computer, just Safari is enough to make your eyes strain. Tabs are barely separated and the shading between active and non-active tabs is almost nothing at all on a non-retina screen. Discernible on the Retina screens though.

Sandman
Fine, but then again, this is how they have looked since forever. Nothing have changed, or is changing, with regards to the "shading between tabs" in Safari. I'm perfectly fine with you disliking this part of one application on OSX, I just have a hard time understanding how this can be the sole reason for switching?

I.e. I would have been totally ok with you posting about "Hey you guys, I've moved to WIndows Phone now. Frankly, I think it looks better" but you've been alluding to the direction Apple is going, as if they're changing something and you want to blame this change for your switch. But you've been unable to quantify that.

Lloyd Parsons
Basically in most forums the gut feeling is that Yosemite has been more optimized for Retina screens over the others, yet only some of the laptops even have Retina screens.

Sandman
This may be true, I haven't tested Yosemite enough to have an opinion about that. Retina screens are the future, so it's not illogical to assume this.

Lloyd Parsons
Of course once you're in an app, the app is controlling most of this. Which means that 3rd party Apps look and feel hasn't changed while most, if not all, of Apple's Will either at launch of Yosemite or soon thereafter.

Sandman
Change from what to what? Pretty to Ugly? They're using the same color palette, but are using a lot less 3D-ish design. And I have a hard time imagining that you're complaining about them becoming flat while talking about switching to Windows. :-D

Lloyd Parsons
The new default font may have been around for quite awhile, but after Seeing it in Yosemite, I can understand why I never saw it used Anywhere.

Sandman
Again, this is Helvetiva Neue, you're seeing it *everywhere*. It's one of the world's most famous font faces.

Lloyd Parsons
To say it sucks would not even come close to how bad I perceive it.

Sandman
Fine, you don't have to like the font, but designers all over the world disagree with you.

Lloyd Parsons
Lastly, I have made the change for reasons that I perfectly understand.

Sandman
Very good. I've been trying to get you to tell us about them for a couple of days now. Unsuccessfully so, though. :)

Lloyd Parsons
That you don't seem to is not of a concern to me and I Will not keep going in this somewhat drifted thread on this particular Part.

Sandman
Again, I didn't expect you to, either.