Google| Subject | Re: Will Tony apologize?? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby) |
| From | Tony Cooper |
| Date | 05/03/2014 18:35 (05/03/2014 12:35) |
| Message-ID | <4q4am9hfno7dlolo6g4f60nt7vo0063mjq@4ax.com> |
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| Newsgroups | rec.photo.digital |
| Follows | Sandman |
| Followups | Tony Cooper (1h & 59m) Sandman (3h & 26m) > Tony Cooper |
On 3 May 2014 14:50:59 GMT, Sandman <mr@sandman.net>wrote:
SandmanAnd you are arguing elsewhere that there is no such thing as an unintended inference.
In article <0ja8m9tjhiuhh1i82hikg5va6m807uespt@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:SandmanAn implication can never be unintended. You can infer what you THOUGHT was an implication, but only the speaker/writer can know if it actually was an implication.Eric Stevens
Not so. The reader gathers the implication from the words. He can have no knowledge of what the writer actually had in mind when he wrote them.
That's called "inference". Where the reader infers meaning from the writer's words that aren't explicitly written.
What sometimes is called "unintended implication" is when a statement by someone has an obvious inference that the writer didn't think of. When a car ad says "New and improved", it's sometimes called an "unintended implication" that the old model was old and lousy.
But, as you can probably realize, that *wasn't* the implication in any shape or form, since an implication is when the writer indicates the existence of something by suggestion rather than explicit reference, which the one making the car ad certainly didn't do.Whoa! The writer most certainly created the suggestion. If it's "improved", it *must* be better than it was. The suggestion is there, but the parameters are not.
That it was "lousy" before is a hackneyed interpretation that is based on only two parameters: "better" and "lousy". One has to have their tongue-in-cheek to make that assertion, and I did about nospam's experience with Lightroom: If his results have improved, they must have been lousy before.
I wonder where you picked up this example. The "New and Improved" trope is often used with some products, but not in car ads. The trope in the automotive ads is usually something about "re-engineered" or "redesigned" when nothing more than minor cosmetic changes to the appearance have been made.
George Carlin asked how can it be both new and improved. He pointed out that it is either a new product or an old product that has been improved. It can't be both.
-- Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
04/14/2014-
