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Tony Cooper
SubjectRe: Will Tony apologize?? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby)
FromTony Cooper
Date05/03/2014 18:03 (05/03/2014 12:03)
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On 3 May 2014 14:33:14 GMT, Sandman <mr@sandman.net>wrote:

Sandman
In article <iqt7m9p3n7mlttna2520ipe779mjo543c1@4ax.com>, Andreas Skitsnack wrote:

Tony Cooper
It's interesting to watch you work.

Sandman
Hope you learned something.

Tony Cooper
Why have you used "emphasis quotes" around "correct" when you have just provided a list of instances where quotation marks are to be used?

Sandman
I didn't. I didn't emphasize the word correct, I used it accordingly to point number 4: unusual usage.

Tony Cooper
Hmmm. "Correct" is an unusual word in the concept of finding the right word?

Sandman
See below, what you ignored:

I.e. I used the word "correct" (point 5, word reference) and put quotation marks around it to signify that the word "correct" shouldn't be used, since the basis of the comment was to let you know that there may be no correct word.

That's illogical. Putting quotes around "correct" in no way indicates that there may not be a correct word that could have been used. It leaves the reader to determine what in the world you meant by enclosing the word in quotes.

There is always a correct word to use. A person may not be able to think of the correct word, a person may not know the correct word, but there is always a correct word.

Tony Cooper
Again, that may be the case with you. You *do* very often struggle to find the correct word. Not so difficult with most people, though.

Sandman
Don't you mean I "do" very often struggle?

No, I'm emphasizing "do", and can emphasize it with asterisks. It is not a case for scare quotes or emphasis quotes.

The second example signifies that there is a correct word, and you have to use it. Some examples of usage:

Emphasis: Andreas: Open sessimie! Sandman: No, you have to use the *correct* word!

- I am telling you that there is a correct word and you must use it.

Tony Cooper
The correct word *is* used.

Sandman
Incorrect.

Well, there's a sample of your version of a reasoned argument. Helped, of course, by the snipping why I say it is the correct word.

Unusual usage: Andreas: The thingamajig won't work! Sandman: I can't help you unless you use the "correct" word

Tony Cooper
"Thingamajig" is not an unusual word, especially in that context.

Sandman
No one claimed it was. Why can't you read??

When you attach it to "Unusual usage" it does give the impression that you are claiming that it is unusual. If nothing else, you were implying - perhaps unintentionally - that it is unusual.

Tony Cooper
Yes, emphasis. He is emphasizing that "idiom" is the *correct* word for this usage.

Sandman
Indeed he did, but not by emphasising it. Just referencing it.

Tony Cooper
Referencing it? What does that mean?

Sandman
Look it up. It's a common enough word.

This time an example of a duck-and-cover. You can't explain why "referencing" is used there, so you provide a non-answer. What you haven't explained is why quote marks are used if the word is simply being referenced. It would be referenced if no added marks were included.

Andreas: Open sessimie! Sandman: It's *sesame*

Tony Cooper
You could actually go several ways on that one. Asterisks to emphasize, scare quote marks to emphasize

Sandman
Only if you're illiterate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scare_quotes

Andreas: The thingamajig won't work Sandman: I think you mean that "door" doesn't work?

Emphasis, word reference.

Tony Cooper
Perhaps you think that makes sense.

Sandman
It's not something I "think", I am telling you how it works.

No, you are blustering about with non-answers.

Tony Cooper
You've attempted to provide a smoke screen for your ignorance, but - once again - failed miserably. "Word-reference" has no established meaning for Usenet posting style. "Emphasis quote" and "scare quote" do have an established meaning in this venue.

Sandman
And those that use it are usually called illiterate. That's the point, Andreas.

Tony Cooper
Usually? By whom?

Sandman
By us who aren't illiterate.

The literate understand that the deprecation of scare or emphasis quotes is present only in published material. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando FL