Subject | Re: Will Tony apologize?? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby) |
From | Tony Cooper |
Date | 05/02/2014 17:00 (05/02/2014 11:00) |
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SandmanI doubt if "ju" really understand what a "linguist" is, what their field of study is, or who Arnold Zwicky is.
In article <kpt4m95etcdmei05e5la6i8ukh13g6cv1m@4ax.com>, Andreas Skitsnack wrote:SandmanSandmanTony CooperSandman
We are denied the use of italics or underlining in newsgroup postings, so we resort to other conventions to emphasize a word or phrase. Some call them "emphasis quotes" and some call them "scare quotes".
Funny link: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002796.html"Emphatic quotation marks are usually mocked as an illiteratism; but in any case, they aren't standard"Ironic :)Tony Cooper
If you actually read the article, the thrust is that bold face, italics, or underlining is the preferable treatment. None of those options are available to us when we post here.
"The boldfaced words were originally typed inside asterisks, to indicate emphasis in text that sticks to ASCII characters"You don't have to use caps or asterisks, but using quotation marks is non-standard and mocked as only being used by illiterate people, so having the suggestion come from you is endlessly funny.Tony Cooper
Interesting that you should reference Arnold Zwicky.
Very deliberate.Tony CooperSandman
He's a Professor of Linguistics at Stanford.
I know. And he just called ju an illiterate.
Quite obviously, he did. He is emphasizing his use of "realization" as a framework for morphology. The are other frameworks - like a paradigm-based framework - that can be constructed. He's referring to his studies of languages (not necessarily English) and the structure of those languages including the morphology.Tony CooperSandman
Linguists are prickly about certain things, but don't always follow their own advice. At his homepage http://arnoldzwicky.org/about/ Arnold uses quotation marks for emphasis in a format where he could use bold face, underline, or italics.
No, he doesn't.
If you are going to continue to use "illiterate" in every post, it would behoove you to learn to spell the word. Your frequent misspelling of the word does rather put you in that class.Tony Cooper
Here's the usage in case you can't find it:[quote] I? also doing research on the conceptual foundations of morphology, as well as developing a construction-based framework for syntax and a ?ealizational?framework for morphology.Sandman
Maybe you just don't know what "emphasis" means, then? Or did you just read my sentence as "Maybe you just don't know what EMPHASIS means, then?"
Here's a free English lesson for you.
Quotation marks can be used for a number of things, and emphasis is non-standard usage. Some do it, but they are usually mocked as illitrate.
The common usages of quotation marks are as such:I don't know where you pulled this list from, but it is probably from or based on a Style Manual. Style Manuals are used as requirements (what is wanted) for work to be published. There is no Style Manual that applies to Usenet postings, and we are limited in this format by not being able to use bold face, underlining, or italics.
1. Quotation He said "Can I help?"Why have you used "emphasis quotes" around "correct" when you have just provided a list of instances where quotation marks are to be used? You should have used asterisks if you follow your own advice.
2. Speech "Who goes there?", said the captain.
3. Irony Very nice "slippers" you've got there.
4. Unusual usage Flowers seem to "know" where the sun is
5. Word-reference "standard" is a word of many meanings
6. Titles of artistic works "Lord of the Rings" is a fantastic book
7. Nicknames Jonas "Sandman" Eklundh
As you should know by now, the quote above falls into the "unusual usage" category, where a word is used to describe something, but isn't necessarily accurate. It is often used when someone want to explain something in laymen terms for instance. Or when you can't find or don't know the correct word. Or maybe there ISN'T a "correct" word.
Yes, emphasis. He is emphasizing that "idiom" is the *correct* word for this usage.Tony Cooper
Also, here's an example of Arnold using quotation marks for emphasis in a post in the newsgroup sci.lang:http://sci.tech-archive.net/Archive/sci.lang/2006-04/msg00993.htmlwhere he says: [quote] yes. "idiom" is the term wanted here...[/quote] Not asterisks, you'll note.Sandman
No emphasis. This falls under the Word-reference category.
You had to snip the entire sentence: '"idiom" is the term wanted here, for "more often/likely than not".'It was snipped because it is self-evident if one understands what the word "idiom" means. I do, but evidently you don't if you need that part of the sentence.
Typical word reference.That's just sad.Tony CooperSandman
Perhaps you should inform Arnold that you are mocking his illiteracy.[
Sorry, I'm not as illitrate as you.
I provided - what do you call it? - *substantiation* of his use.Tony CooperSandman
The "Language Log" article, though, was about something in a book by Leslie Savan where there was questionable use of double quotes and single quotes. And, the line you attribute to him is meant ironically. Emphasis quotes are not standard? They why does an eminent professor of linguistics use them?
He doesn't.