Sandman
In article <3b2jl9l77avnh7djqurqqmro92m2piv1nn@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:

Incorrect. As I've said many times, I call people liars when they continue making a claim that has been proven to be wrong.

Eric Stevens
There are times when you have called people liars without any preliminary explanation.

Sandman
No, there are no such tims.

Eric Stevens
Even when you rely on what you call proof, it only has to be proven to _your_ satisfaction for you to call them a liar.

Sandman
Of course, who's satisfaction should it have been proven to?

Eric Stevens
You manipulate the argument to get to that point and ignore arguments to the contrary.

Sandman
There have never been arguments to the contrary. When you make an incorrect claim you either support it or retract it, hand-waving and hot air does not apply, which is what you always offer.

Eric Stevens
You thought it was B&H which is a nationally known camera store. (In fact it's an internationally known camera store.)

Sandman
You are lying, Eric. See - this is a perfectly good time to call you a liar. Do you know why? Because I have actually explained to you what happened - and you still make this incorrect claim.

Eric Stevens
That's your post facto explanation.

Sandman
No.

Eric Stevens
'Post facto' means after the facts became known.

Sandman
I know what it means, and it's still incorrect. It was a fact the entire time.

Eric Stevens
This is a half-way credible explanation you have concocted to try and get yourself off the hook.

Sandman
What hook? You'd have a point if I somehow was trying to gloss over the fact that I made a mistake, but I'm not. I have been very open and direct about the fact that I made a mistake. You and your troll buddy Andreas is trying to retcon that into me thinking that Best Buy is a nationally known camera store, which I never at any point in my entire life thought.

Eric Stevens
The only thing that's possibly wrongwith my previous staement is that it would have benefited with a comma. You thought it was B&H, which is a nationally known camera store.

Sandman
But you see, I didn't actually think Best Buy was B&H, I just mistakenly called it B&H. There is a huge difference.

Eric Stevens
And you did it over and over again, in the face of people querying your usage.

Sandman
No, I did it over and over again, without anyone querying my *usage*.

Everyone thought I was in reference to B&H since well, that's what I was typing.

No one was questioning my usage and not until I posted the address to a Best Buy Store did Savageduck realize I had had them mixed up the entire time.

And then Eric and Andras felt they had material for a weeks worth of arguing.

Consider the difference between me responding to you and calling you Tony because I:

1. Mistakenly thought I was talking to Tony 2. Knew I was talking to you, but mistakenly *wrote* Tony

See the difference?

Eric Stevens
I would accept that if it had happened once. We have all done that kind of thing from time to time. But this occasion with B&H was different. It went on and on.

Sandman
Which is why I agree that it's a rather more embarassing mistake to make than to mistakenly call you Tony once, but a mistake nonetheless.

You're trying to force something on me that isn't and wasn't there. You know how I know, because I *am* me.

In this case, it was number 2 - I knew I was talking about Best Buy the entire time, and several clues in what I wrote attested to this (it being near The Loop for instance).

But Tony's claim is that it was number 1, where I didn't mistype, but rather thought I had visited B&H, not noticing the huge "Best Buy" signs on the building.

If there is any confusion, my response to when this error was brought to my attention should make it perfectly clear what option above was really the true one:

Sandman Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby 04/19/2014 <slrnll5o04.i52.mr@irc.sandman.net>

"Wow, my bad. You know, I didn't even stop to think about it. I have been talking about Best Buy, yes. Sorry about the confusion."

That made it crystal clear that I had meant Best Buy the entire time, and at not time did I actually think Best Buy was B&H.

I know absolutely nothing about B&H, never been there.

Eric Stevens
I haven't been there either but I have known about them for years.

Sandman
Congratulations!

Eric Stevens
I am surprised that you did not know of them prior to this discussion.

Sandman
How so? They're an American store, are they not?

I can't visit them here and have no relation to them whatsoever. Why would it surprise you that someone from Sweden didn't know about B&H?

Eric Stevens
This is not at all like your mistake about B&H where you ploughed ahead resisting all attempts to suggest you were off the rails somewhere.

Sandman
Oh come one now, Eric. We've been through this already. There were no such attempts. There was a lot of *confusion* because you thought I actually meant B&H which is a NY-store, so you asked me if I had been to NY (in direct response to me saying it was in Florida).

Eric Stevens
I (and I think at least one other) gave you several opportunities to realise you had made an error. You never took them.

Sandman
No you did not. Stop repeating this incorrect claim.

At the time you didn't *KNOW* I had made an error, you thought I was in reference to B&H so there was at no time any "prodding" from you due to the fact that you knew I was using "B&H" when I meant "Best Buy", you thought I meant B&H, which was logical since that's what I was typing.