Sandman
Incorrect. As I've said many times, I call people liars when they continue making a claim that has been proven to be wrong.

Eric Stevens
There are times when you have called people liars without any preliminary explanation.

Even when you rely on what you call proof, it only has to be proven to _your_ satisfaction for you to call them a liar.

You manipulate the argument to get to that point and ignore arguments to the contrary.

You thought it was B&H which is a nationally known camera store. (In fact it's an internationally known camera store.)

Sandman
You are lying, Eric. See - this is a perfectly good time to call you a liar. Do you know why? Because I have actually explained to you what happened - and you still make this incorrect claim.

Eric Stevens
That's your post facto explanation.

Sandman
No.

Eric Stevens
'Post facto' means after the facts became known.

This is a half-way credible explanation you have concocted to try and get yourself off the hook.

The only thing that's possibly wrongwith my previous staement is that it would have benefited with a comma. You thought it was B&H, which is a nationally known camera store.

Sandman
But you see, I didn't actually think Best Buy was B&H, I just mistakenly called it B&H. There is a huge difference.

Eric Stevens
And you did it over and over again, in the face of people querying your usage.

Sandman
Consider the difference between me responding to you and calling you Tony because I:

1. Mistakenly thought I was talking to Tony 2. Knew I was talking to you, but mistakenly *wrote* Tony

See the difference?

Eric Stevens
I would accept that if it had happened once. We have all done that kind of thing from time to time. But this occasion with B&H was different. It went on and on.

Sandman
In this case, it was number 2 - I knew I was talking about Best Buy the entire time, and several clues in what I wrote attested to this (it being near The Loop for instance).

But Tony's claim is that it was number 1, where I didn't mistype, but rather thought I had visited B&H, not noticing the huge "Best Buy" signs on the building.

If there is any confusion, my response to when this error was brought to my attention should make it perfectly clear what option above was really the true one:

Sandman Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby 04/19/2014 <slrnll5o04.i52.mr@irc.sandman.net>

"Wow, my bad. You know, I didn't even stop to think about it. I have been talking about Best Buy, yes. Sorry about the confusion."

That made it crystal clear that I had meant Best Buy the entire time, and at not time did I actually think Best Buy was B&H.

I know absolutely nothing about B&H, never been there.

Eric Stevens
I haven't been there either but I have known about them for years.

I am surprised that you did not know of them prior to this discussion.

This is not at all like your mistake about B&H where you ploughed ahead resisting all attempts to suggest you were off the rails somewhere.

Sandman
Oh come one now, Eric. We've been through this already. There were no such attempts. There was a lot of *confusion* because you thought I actually meant B&H which is a NY-store, so you asked me if I had been to NY (in direct response to me saying it was in Florida).

Eric Stevens
I (and I think at least one other) gave you several opportunities to realise you had made an error. You never took them.