Subject | Re: Will Tony apologize? (was: Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby) |
From | Eric Stevens |
Date | 04/25/2014 00:10 (04/25/2014 10:10) |
Message-ID | <3b2jl9l77avnh7djqurqqmro92m2piv1nn@4ax.com> |
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Newsgroups | rec.photo.digital |
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Followups | Sandman (7h & 29m) > Eric Stevens |
SandmanThere are times when you have called people liars without any preliminary explanation. Even when you rely on what you call proof, it only has to be proven to _your_ satisfaction for you to call them a liar. You manipulate the argument to get to that point and ignore arguments to the contrary.
In article <62nhl992rsj8ddffgpkrn4qb3997uodc02@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:SandmanEric StevensI take your silence as a you acknowledging that I don't call people liars without good reason. Good.This is where you quote me calling someone a liar when thay made an unintentional mistake. Failure to do so will be considered accepting my claim that it has never happened.I don't call people liars without reason, as you well know.
You call people liars as a debating tool.
Incorrect. As I've said many times, I call people liars when they continue making a claim that has been proven to be wrong.
'Post facto' means after the facts became known. This is a half-way credible explanation you have concocted to try and get yourself off the hook.SandmanEric StevensEric StevensSandman
You thought it was B&H which is a nationally known camera store. (In fact it's an internationally known camera store.)
You are lying, Eric. See - this is a perfectly good time to call you a liar. Do you know why? Because I have actually explained to you what happened - and you still make this incorrect claim.
That's your post facto explanation.
No.
And you did it over and over again, in the face of people querying your usage.Eric StevensSandman
The only thing that's possibly wrongwith my previous staement is that it would have benefited with a comma. You thought it was B&H, which is a nationally known camera store.
But you see, I didn't actually think Best Buy was B&H, I just mistakenly called it B&H. There is a huge difference.
Consider the difference between me responding to you and calling you Tony because I:I would accept that if it had happened once. We have all done that kind of thing from time to time. But this occasion with B&H was different. It went on and on.
1. Mistakenly thought I was talking to Tony 2. Knew I was talking to you, but mistakenly *wrote* Tony
See the difference?
In this case, it was number 2 - I knew I was talking about Best Buy the entire time, and several clues in what I wrote attested to this (it being near The Loop for instance).I haven't been there either but I have known about them for years. I am surprised that you did not know of them prior to this discussion.
But Tony's claim is that it was number 1, where I didn't mistype, but rather thought I had visited B&H, not noticing the huge "Best Buy" signs on the building.
If there is any confusion, my response to when this error was brought to my attention should make it perfectly clear what option above was really the true one:
Sandman Re: Colonial Photo & Hobby 04/19/2014 <slrnll5o04.i52.mr@irc.sandman.net>
"Wow, my bad. You know, I didn't even stop to think about it. I have been talking about Best Buy, yes. Sorry about the confusion."
That made it crystal clear that I had meant Best Buy the entire time, and at not time did I actually think Best Buy was B&H.
I know absolutely nothing about B&H, never been there.
I (and I think at least one other) gave you several opportunities to realise you had made an error. You never took them.SandmanI did *NOT* think Best Buy was a nationally known camera store at any point in time. I was in reference to Best Buy 100% of the times and I merely wrote the wrong company name in my posts.When you wrote "multiple threads" when you meant "multiple groups" here:http://usenet.sandman.net/reader/index/read?id=122538Tony could claim that you think threads are groups and make a huge deal out of it (of course he won't, since you're both trolls and all that). But you didn't think that, you just wrote the wrong word without thinking about it and not until Savageduck prompted you did you realize your error, corrected it and that was it.Eric Stevens
You must have been nursing that to your breast for more than three months!
Hardly, I just searched for you using the word "I meant", that's all. It happens all the time, when we use the wrong word or the wrong name on something. I admit that I used it five times incorrectly without realizing it myself, but it's still the same thing.Eric StevensSandman
What have you been smoking? Even when Duck took me up on that statement, he was still thinking in terms of threads. The person who corrected my statement to make it apply to groups was me.
Yeah, that's what I mean by prompted, his reply made you see your error, you corrected it and that was it.Eric StevensSandman
This is not at all like your mistake about B&H where you ploughed ahead resisting all attempts to suggest you were off the rails somewhere.
Oh come one now, Eric. We've been through this already. There were no such attempts. There was a lot of *confusion* because you thought I actually meant B&H which is a NY-store, so you asked me if I had been to NY (in direct response to me saying it was in Florida).
At no time did you ever respond to me with any information that would lead me to see that I made a mistake.--SandmanIn my case, it took a while for anyone to prompt me because you got all confused by my mistyping, which is understandable.Eric Stevens
But you persisted with your error, which is the important point.
I did not. The *exact* moment it was brought to my attention that I had made an error did I correct it.
I *made* the error many times, but I didn't "persist" with for a single second. There's a huge difference.