Sandman
In article <ltd5b9t264age6fk9lr86rp403g2o3f4ik@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>wrote:

I've never claimed that an "inability to substantiate claims to my satisfaction" makes you a liar. Lying makes you a liar, and an inability to substantiate your lies further showcases your lies. I've explained this many times.

Eric Stevens
More than usually circular.

Sandman
Failure to understand logic on your part does not make the logic circular.

Failure to do either means you have made a claim you won't admit is incorrect and which you refuse to substantiate, meaning that you are willfully standing by an incorrect statement - i.e. lying.

Eric Stevens
This kind of argument is called the error of the excluded middle.

Sandman
Incorrect, given the fact that the only possible "middle" is a scenario where you CAN substantiate the incorrect statement but WON'T, which would make you an idiot. And any claims to that effect are NOT support for it not being a lie - or incorrect.

Of course not. There are thousands of things you can say that you can't find evidence of. But then again, you shouldn't state them as proven facts - and in this case you didn't. You just said that you remember something to be true, but can't currently find it.

Eric Stevens
Are you really saying that I shouldn't say something is true, even when I know it is true, simply because I can't remember where to find the supporting evidence?

Sandman
Why can't you read and understand simple English, Eric? What I meant was very clear from my passage above, and was in stark opposite of your interpretation of it.

Eric Stevens
Either you remember a very large number of things or you know a relatively small number of things which you believe to be true.

Sandman
Non sequitur.

Eric Stevens
I thought that at the very least that was worth at least a wry grin.

Sandman
I thought it was you needlessly dragging up old arguments in an effort to spite me - i.e. troll.

Eric Stevens
Humourless?

Sandman
When it comes to a proven lying troll - yes. I have no respect for you and your meager attempt at "humor", if that was what it was (it's not like I'd take your word for it) are wasted on me. You'd do well on usenet and in life sticking to reality and the truth, and not continously dragging up trolling from the past.