Sandman
In article <8ma5a9hfk3j5tg47hm1ahiemufb96gv4li@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper wrote:

Tony Cooper
So you would take your car to the Tire R Us shop to have your transmission repaired because you see no distinction between a guy who changes tires and a real mechanic?

nospam
completely unrelated to the described scenario.

Tony Cooper
It's totally related.

Sandman
This is called "muddying the water", where a troll buddy comes to the aid of one of his friends who can't seem to fend off reality and facts. The buddy then comes in and makes totally unrelated claims and conclusions that has nothing to do with the current discussion.

Eric's claim is that every successful race car drivers have "engineering skills", which is a false claim. Eric has ttied to argue that a race car driver that better understand how the car works is more successful - which may seem true from a shallow point of view, but in the end, the better *driver* will win the race, not the one that has a better understanding about the boiling point of break fluid.

Tony then enters the discussion trying to argue about the distinction between a mechanic and other members of the pit crew. This is *totally unrelated* to anything that had been said up to that point.

This is the point at which Tony whines about how we don't get to decide what the topic is. And he's right, he is free to talk about pink elephants all he whishes - but we're just telling him what the topic WAS before he started to talk about his elephants.

Tony Cooper
The driver, who you point out is not a mechanic, doesn't ask the guy who changes the tires or puts fuel in the vehicle, to adjust the throttle linkage. He asks a mechanic from the garage to come out. He may tell the mechanic exactly what is to be done, though. Then, the mechanic goes back to the garage area. There's limited space in the pit area.

Sandman
Mr Obvious strikes again!

Tony Cooper
Have you ever seen a pit crew in action? Having grown up in Indianapolis, and personally observed the pit crews in action at many races, I can tell you the mechanics are not out in the pits during the race.

Sandman
Great point! If... someone had claimed that they were...

nospam
no, the point is that the driver doesn't need to know the details of how to fix/tune the car. if the pit crew can't do it, they get someone who can. as you say, it's a team.

Tony Cooper
Once again, you labor under the delusion that you can control threads and control what the "point" is.

Sandman
See what I mean?

The point WAS what nospam said, you then came and forced your direction on the thread.

Tony Cooper
But, as usual, you will reply with just another argument that doesn't add anything to the discussion.

Sandman
Ironic.