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On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 04:37:13 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:SavageduckEric Stevens
On 2013-12-08 07:53:50 +0000, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>said:Eric StevensSavageduck
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:56:59 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:SavageduckEric Stevens
On 2013-12-08 04:14:06 +0000, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>said:Eric StevensSavageduck
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:26:49 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:SavageduckEric Stevens
On 2013-12-08 03:10:07 +0000, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>said:Eric StevensSavageduck
On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 15:25:17 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:SavageduckEric Stevens
On 2013-12-07 22:27:16 +0000, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>said:Eric StevensSavageduck
On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 23:20:25 -0500, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:nospamEric Stevens
In article <p275a99v4udgmd18f98gq3pik2g95bgrmj@4ax.com>, Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com>wrote:nospamTony Coopernospamunderstanding how the car handles is not the same as being a mechanic.Eric Stevens
That's your definition. Who is it then that adjusts wheel alignment settings, suspension settings, wings, tire pressure adjustment etc ..
mechanics.
Actually, the pit crew is a team of specialists. Generally, when we use the word "mechanic", we are referring to a person who works on or repairs the drive train of a vehicle...engine and transmission. The pit crew people specialize in adjustments to the vehicle, fueling, and tire changing. While they probably have some mechanical skills, the real "mechanics" are back in the garage. I doubt if any race driver refers to his pit crew as his "mechanics".
unimportant distinction.
the point is that it's not the driver who does it.
It's usually the driver who decides it.
Perhaps in days past, and perhaps in races other than F1, F2, IndyCar, GT1, & GT3.
Today in F1 the car is a mass of telemetry sending data from hundreds of sensors to the pits where a team of engineers sitting in front of a wall of monitors evaluate what needs adjustment and what need to be adjusted in the car by the driver and passes on to the pit crew and those "mechanics" what they need to prepare to fix or adjust on a pit stop. It is those engineers who tell the driver what they need him to adjust in the car on that complex steering wheel. Those sensors tell them stuff such as the pressure in the push-rod suspension on each of the corners, with that they can make balance adjustments to wings, suspension etc. They get feedback on brake temperatures, exhaust temperatures, fuel flow, KERS charge, KERS discharge, and so much more.
That's all trimming of what is already there. What is there and how it is set has been decided by previous testing and driver input. The car which races at Monaco is not the same as the car which races at Monza.
No kidding!
And why should that be?
Are you sure you follow F1?
The cars are usually the same car but with different set up, for the different tracks. Monaco being a relatively slow street circuit and Monza one of the fastest tracks in F1.
Maybe the same shell.
Rules don't provide for any body or chassis change.Eric StevensSavageduck
Possibly not the same engine characteristics (though I don't know the current regs),
Engine mapping is track specific and only a narrow range of cockpit adjustments are available after qualifying.
That was my point.Savageduck
You race with the engine map you qualify with. < http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8699/fia.html
...and what the telemetry tells the engineers is actually happening, and what really needs to be adjusted, without the driver going alibi.http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/7929865/ > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formula_One_engines >Eric StevensEric StevensSavageduck
suspension settings will be different,
Always, with major tweaks through the three practice sessions and qualifying rounds.
Based on input and requests from the driver.
Hmm.Eric Stevensso too will be gear ratios,Savageduck
Not necessarily
Certainly the final drive ratio will be different. Top speed at Monaco is about 177 mph and at Monza it is about 210 mph. See http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/299971/monza-speed-trap-topped-by-ricciardo/ http://www.vivaf1.com/monaco.phpSavageduck
< http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8689/
Eric StevensSo
They can change gear ratios but they can't change gearboxes. Sounds somewhat Byzantine.Savageduck
< http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8710/fia.html
Eric StevensNot quite that simple.
in any one race the driver is able to use a maximum of 7 gear ratios selected from a total of 30. Presumably these have to be installed under the supervision of an official.
They really only have four dry compounds to choose from to provide the two for the specific track. So it is not a complete unknown, the teams have a pretty good idea of what to expect.Eric Stevensthe aerodynamics will be at opposite ends of the spectrum,Savageduck
They will be adjusted within a narrow range permitted by regs.Eric StevensSavageduck
tires will be different,
Not necessarily, again check the regs. < http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/understanding_the_sport/5283.html >
"The rubber compounds used at each race are determined by the tyre supplier (currently Pirelli) according to the known characteristics of the track."
In other words, the tire manufacturer provides tires to suit the track. Different tracks - different tires.
steeringSavageduck
< http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8680/fia.html
IEric StevensSavageduck
will (probably) be different: otherwise the cars are identical.
As always read the regs. < http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8708/
Eric Stevens-- Regards,
was particularly thinking of the power steering.SavageduckEric Stevens
Monaco has slower speeds, fewer passing opportunities, very tight corners, and a bigger elevation changes than found at some of the new circuits. Monza has high corner approach speeds (as high as 210 MPH) and short braking areas putting heavy loads on brakes. The wing settings at Monza are usually set at minimal angles to reduce drag on the high speed stretches. Lap speed record at Monza is 162 MPH. Contrast that with Monaco where the record on the current circuit configuration is 113.3 MPH. Two very different tracks, two very different set ups.
Exactly. So the mechanics cannot (as per nospam) setup the car without major input from a knowledgeable driver.