Savageduck
On 2013-12-06 08:14:01 +0000, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz>said:

Eric Stevens
On Thu, 5 Dec 2013 09:39:08 -0800, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:

Savageduck
I would bet that Barney Oldfield would still be able to muscle a car around a track today, just as Louis Chevrolet moved from the race track to manufacturing.

Eric Stevens
They wouldn't be in the same ballpark as Scott Dixon without several years of experience. Then they might be.

Savageduck
You don't know who I am talking about. < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Chevrolet > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Oldfield >

I am sure that while Frank Lloyd Wright managed more than adequately with a drawing table, he would have very quickly adopted computers and design software to achieve his designs, ...

Eric Stevens
But he couldn't have done a http://www.freakingkid.com/burj-al-arab-worlds-only-seven-star-hotel-in-the-world/

Savageduck
or http://www.luxuryhomes.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Marina-Bay-Sands-Hotel-1.jpg or

Eric Stevens
even http://tinyurl.com/k33pc4h

Savageduck
Today he might consider something along those awful lines, but he was able to do this with pencil, pen, ink, and a drawing table in 1937, 76 years ago, and with Wright, the current flock of architects have some mighty footprints to follow in, even though he didn't exactly embrace the vertical.

< http://www.newyorkpanorama.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/2010-01-guggenheim-2000.jpg

< http://www.genelowinger.com/data/photos/413_1r110402_003_sep2.jpg >

In 1936 he incorporated with nature this amazingly livable home, "Fallingwater", all without the assistance of a computer, and which architects have srtuggled to emulate, but their computers fail them. < http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/FallingwaterPathway.jpg >

< http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Fallingwater%2C_also_known_as_the_Edgar_J._Kaufmann%2C_Sr.%2C_residence%2C_Pennsylvania%2C_by_Carol_M._Highsmith.jpg

or < http://tinyurl.com/lagn8kz >

" While Fallingwater was (and is) a monumental architectural achievement, it's not without its near fatal flaws. Critics have blamed Wright for not putting enough time into the house's structural design. Right from the start, the cantilevered balconies sagged dangerously. Kaufmann Sr was so concerned about the house's structure that he hired engineers every year to survey the structure's soundness. Fortunately, in 2002, the Western Pennsylvania Conservancy came to the rescue. The balconies were sufficiently strengthened by a team of engineers.

... just as I am certain that Adams would be using a digital darkroom today. He was a darkroom geek after all.

Eric Stevens
But that requires an entirely different range of computing skills from the ones we have been discussing.

Savageduck
Perhaps, but it seems appropriate, as what has been argued is a current requirement of computer knowledge, programing, script writing, and competent operation of software in order to deal with things technical. Specifically photography.