PeterN
On 12/5/2013 12:46 PM, nospam wrote:

nospam
In article <2013120509390876599-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>wrote:

Eric Stevens
The idea that a top line architect wouldn't/shouldn't have an understanding of what he can an cannot do with the tools at his disposal.

nospam
that's not what i said.

obviously they need to know how to *use* their tools.

what they don't need is how to *make* the tools, i.e., how to program a computer.

Savageduck
Somehow I think you guys have been using the wrong analogies for a photo NG. Forget about the racecar driver & architect, how about the owner of any digital camera, compact, or DSLR? Do they need to have a knowledge of how to operate a computer to shoot photographs with their digital camera?

nospam
no they do not, nor did film users need to know how to process their own film.

PeterN
Is it your claim that in the film days, a good photo artist did not have to understand the how and why of film. He did not have to understand masking with film, the effect of various chemicals, and light sources on things such as contrast, and grain?

nospam
many people know how to use a computer and some did their own darkroom work, but it is not a requirement to use a camera.

Savageduck
Does ownership of a digital camera also require them to purchase a computer and obtain, and learn to use digital image editing software so that can get physical examples of the photographs?

nospam
no.

Savageduck
I believe that just as they did with their disposable film cameras they are able to take the camera down to the local Walmart, or Costco and have the counter jockey remove the memory card and print out the customer's print order, reinsert the card into the camera and format it for the customer. No computer owned, no OS of any type favored, no purchase of PS. Hell! I could just mail an SDHC card to MPix and have them print the entire contents of the card and be completely computer clueless.

nospam
yep.

Savageduck
Not every snap shooter using film knew their way around a darkroom, not every snapshot shooter in the digital age needs to own or know how to use a computer.

nospam
exactly, although with computers being used for a wide variety of things, nearly everyone owns and knows how to use one already.

Savageduck
We are of the geekish mindset, and just can't imagine not having access to or the knowledge to process the images we capture. So it is hard to imagine folks coping without computers today.

nospam
yep.

Savageduck
I would bet that Barney Oldfield would still be able to muscle a car around a track today, just as Louis Chevrolet moved from the race track to manufacturing. I am sure that while Frank Lloyd Wright managed more than adequately with a drawing table, he would have very quickly adopted computers and design software to achieve his designs, just as I am certain that Adams would be using a digital darkroom today. He was a darkroom geek after all.

nospam
he said digital photography would be the future.