Sandman
Another claim from Eric.

Your job now is to list all "successful" race car drivers and present copies of their engineering diplomas and/or credentials.

Eric Stevens
Do you really think all engineering skills come with diplomas?

How do you think they know what needs adjusting? They know because the driver tells them. There will be discussion over the details (as no adjustment affects only one aspect of the car's performance) but the top drivers have major technical input.

Sandman
Any support for this? Of course not! So, move above paragraph to bozo bin.

Eric Stevens
You obviously haven't been following motor racing to any considerable extent.

Sandman
That's not an answer to my question. Me not saying that is not the same as me saying that the "Programmer leads the way". You have a reading disorder. Maybe dyslexia? Maybe ADHD? I don't know, but you clearly can't read English.

Eric Stevens
The problem is that you have a narrow understanding. It's up to the architect to decide where he wants to. It's the programmer who has to take him. This only works if the architect has some understanding of what is possible.

Sandman
The above paragraph has 0% to do with the preceeding paragraph.

Eric Stevens
You mean you don't understand it. You often have this problem.

Sandman
You should really stop uttering your opinions in the form of statements of facts. If you learned to read and write English correctly, then most of this could be avoided.

You should have said "I think an architect could benefit from understanding programming"

Eric Stevens
Why? I never started this discussion.

Sandman
I never claimed you started the discussion, dyslexia boy.

Eric Stevens
I've already said they should have an understanding of computing, of which programming is just a sub-set.

Sandman
And then "Ooops, I didn't mean programming, I meant computing"

Eric Stevens
Apart from the "Ooops", Ive already done that.

Sandman
You should have realized your ignorant error from the start, not 20+ posts in.

Eric Stevens
You haven't really been following the thread, have you?

This is just a debating trick. I'm not going to even try to explain in this news group how these large packages work and how you make them do what you want them to do. For a start, I doubt that you have the necessary knowledge of physics, engineering or mathematics.

Sandman
I know you won't support your explicit statement - you never do, because you never can. You have exactly no credibility when it comes to.. just about anything.

Eric Stevens
Hmm.

Sandman
You make thousands of claims and never ever support a single one of them. It's just a trolling game for you - make as much diversions as possible to keep us normal people arguing with you, you live for the argument, and if you were reasonable and supported your claims and/or didn't make ignorant incorrect claims to begin with - there would be no argument and you wouldn't have your fun.

Eric Stevens
Well who do you think is going to make these decisions?

Sandman
I'm not the one making a claim, Eric. You are. Trying to divert it back to me by asking me a question does not mean you have supported your position.

Eric Stevens
Why do you repeatedly refuse to engage in thought when discussing these things?

With respect, you know damn little about design work.

Sandman
No respect needed, you have zero credibility when it comes to anything related to these matters, your opinion about me and the subject at hand amounts to exactly nothing. All I ever wanted here was for you to support your claims, but you can't and won't and refuse to admit that you can't and won't meaning that you are once again a proven liar.

Eric Stevens
Hmm.

Sandman
I've known that for a very very long time, Eric. This is like what, the 30th time I've exposed your misinformation and lies? Something like that.

Eric Stevens
Yes, you are way ahead of me (in your mind).

Sandman
So, basically, having you tell me I know nothing is one of the best endorsement I could get. It's a sure sign I didn't get anything wrong along the way, which I could have done. I'll start worrying the day you agree with me, Eric.

Eric Stevens
Your 'logic' is incredible, as always.