Subject | Re: Paintshop and Corel |
From | Eric Stevens |
Date | 12/04/2013 00:45 (12/04/2013 12:45) |
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Newsgroups | rec.photo.digital |
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SandmanIt seems that way to only because you completely reject the idea of a backup protocol in this context. As I've several times tried to explain, a protocol does not entail software.
In article <i35q99hq4evlt2q4cnieo9a6ug993cbq31@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens wrote:SandmanWell, since we're being literal - you used "software development", I used "software developing" - so where does that leave us?As I said - the trolls last resort - nitpicking details instead of staying on topic. You have to take my words literally since that's the only way for you to create an argument. This is what I said:"something he doesn't understand (software developing)"I never claimed that Tony had said the word "software developing" verbatim since that's not my claim. I said he talked about software developing (which is true) and he didn't understand it (which is also true).Eric Stevens
You insisted he was talking about software developing. He wasn't.
Indeed he was, as I have substantiated:
Tony Cooper Re: Paintshop and Corel 11/25/2013 <m3o699lcu5nkmjftqpss3pdj3bvv0mfkfg@4ax.com>
"How do you think an "automatic" process comes to be? Someone first decides what the process will be, and then writes it into the system. The back-up protocol was determined by the developers of the Time Machine program and installed it to do the back-up automatically in the future. The "automatic" function is part of the protocol."
He is quite clearly talking about software development when referencing the developers of the Time Machine software.
Once again I have proven you to be incorrect.Now why did you snip the next line?Eric Stevens
You started going off the rails when on 26 Nov 2013 22:09:20 GMT in
Didn't you want anyone to go back and discover what this discussion was all about?Message-ID: <slrnl9a72h.eo.mr@irc.sandman.net>you wrote:
Isn't that a statement of what the code must do?"Well, there's your problem. You think a protocol determines what a program does... Maybe that's why you were talking about the totally unrelated FTP before? You think programs are filled with developer-enabled protocols or something like that.Sandman
That was me agreeing with your notion that "protocol" is rarely, if ever, used in conjunction with software development.Eric StevensSandman
You then go on to discuss the execution of conditional code etc.
Indeed. I.e. not a protocol.Eric StevensSandman
The protocol is not the code; it is not the logic of the particular block of code; it is not any part of the program at all. It is a statement, definition, of what the code must do. In exactly the same way the protocols for FTP, HTTP, NNTP and IP are statements of what the code must do. e.g.
Not at all. The protocols of HTTP says exactly NOTHING about what the *code* must do - only in how the application must communicate with the service/server.
Do you mean on Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:23:24 -0500 when at Message-ID: <m3o699lcu5nkmjftqpss3pdj3bvv0mfkfg@4ax.com>he started to discuss what was protocol and what was not after you introduced the "The old .Mac backup application"?Eric StevensSandman
Tony's hypothetical backup protocol would not be as large or as complex but it would define what the backup procedure would have to achieve. The details are left to the programmer but the program is not the protocol.
No shit, Sherlock. That is exactly what I told him when he ignorantly started to talk about software development.
And that was clear from your discussion of the time.Sure, that's STILL not substantiation for your claim:"The problem in this case is that neither of you properly understand the meaning of 'protocol'.
I didn't say that you believed in protocol being software. But you seemed to believe that Tony meant that protocol meant software and went to some trouble to disprove it. For example, on 26 Nov 2013 22:09:20 GMT in Message-ID: <slrnl9a72h.eo.mr@irc.sandman.net>you wrote an article of some length, including a code example. Your final paragraph was:Eric still fails to substantiate his claim - now making it an outright lie.That remains as unsubstantiated since the time you made the claim. You have NOT supported your claim that I (or nospam) "properly" understand the meaning of "protocol". That remains an empty claim to this day.Eric StevensSandman
Your use of the word protocol as meaning software is quite wrong.
Ah, another claim from you! Now you have to quote me saying that "protocol means software"
No quote from Eric, since there is none. His claim is incorrect and he knows he can't support it, so he'll ignore this rather than admit to his error. Like a true troll.Is that your objective? --
Now run along, Eric. You have nothing but humiliation to gain from this thread.