Google| Subject | Re: Pretty cool... |
| From | Alan Baker |
| Date | 06/25/2013 15:47 (06/25/2013 06:47) |
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In article <kqbu57$jg6$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Nashton <nana@na.com> wrote:
NashtonOh my god, please....
On 6/24/2013 6:36 PM, J. Bird Song wrote:J. Bird SongNashton
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net>wrote in message news:alangbaker-B7CE0E.13275924062013@news.shawcable.net...Alan Baker
In article <kqa84d$7mv$1@dont-email.me>, "J. Bird Song" <JBSong@gmail.com>wrote:J. Bird SongAlan Baker
"Alan Baker" <alangbaker@telus.net>wrote in message news:alangbaker-0AD29C.10382424062013@news.shawcable.net...Alan BakerJ. Bird Song
In article <f9ebec4c-f8bf-451c-b7f4-c7aa8f078b87@googlegroups.com>, ed <news@atwistedweb.com>wrote:edAlan Baker
On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:16:25 AM UTC-7, Alan Baker wrote: ...Alan Bakered
The plan is to do stuff for my own projects and make it pay by doing architectural drawings for general contractors (not actual design, mind, just the drawings).
i don't know if it's changed in the last few years, but solidworks was not real solid (ha!) for architectural drawings a few years back- a lack of architectural symbols and the like. you can download them (or create them yourself), but it wasn't really designed for architecture and it wasn't a strength.
all that said, you have my curiosity piqued- is there a market for this type of work? why wouldn't whoever is doing the design do the drawings?
They will, but it's a bit like the law business: you need the exorbitant rate for the actual legal expertise, but they bite you with that same high rate for EVERYTHING.
The reason I'm now trying to do this is that my girlfriend's general contractor related to her what it had cost him to get construction drawings done after the design was completed.
If I can do a creditable job using SketchUp Pro and LayOut (which I already have done), then I'm pretty sure I can work out the necessary to do it in SolidWorks.
On a serious note:
On a structural redo or addition, an architect is needed and they draw the plans which are submitted to a building inspector. It's not a simple matter of "I think we can throw a 2 x 4 in here" as I'm sure you're aware of.
On a simple interior upgrade, Kitchen / bathroom, usually this stuff is laid out with dedicated CAD software - like at Lowes or Home depot or high end cabinet operations. And that works great.
On a complex interior structural redo, moving load bearing walls etc., again, an architect is needed, who supplies the prints etc.
And charges for it... ...a lot more than is necessary.J. Bird SongAlan Baker
What is the concept here? Is Joe the handyman going to hand you a sketch for you to draw out? If so why? He should know where he's going.
The concept is for an architect to design the house and provide a 3D model (in most cases), from which I would produce construction drawings.J. Bird SongAlan Baker
Do you have draftsman experience in addition to the software experience.
Not all that much experience, no. But an experienced contractor has given me his seal of approval (as it were) for the work I've done and for my attention to detail.
It's the fact that he often has to pay a lot of money for what he feels I'm already capable of doing that has driven me to consider this.J. Bird SongAlan Baker
Do you think your GF's "contractor" is blowing smoke? It's always great to explain away high costs to customers who are ignorant, by blaming the high cost of materials, labor and services..
Nope.J. Bird SongAlan Baker
As I said; on a serious note.
Thanks, Michael. It's good to see you can make a reasonable and civil post.
He's pretty reasonable in all his posts. In fact, he's a paragon of patience when it comes to dealing with the likes of you as an interlocutor, given your incessant lies and your bombastic pontifications, bakr.
LOLNashtonAlan Baker
I am aware of the necessity for the involvement of licensed architects and structural engineers for various parts of the design process. I've just gone through this exact thing assisting my girlfriend on the design and approval of her own house.
You probably meant to say "the necessity of the involvement", but given your lexicological ineptitude that is the direct result of your level of education, we'll let it pass. One cannot feign education, remember that.
He had the talent... ...and my girlfriend saw it.J. Bird SongNashton
My brother did the initial designAlan Baker
concept, an architectural firm known to her preferred contractor reviewed the design and with the assistance of the correct engineering resources, structured it...
Well, that was kind of you to provide some work to your brother.
The general contractor saw them as well.NashtonAlan Baker
...but the drawings they produced were terrible; riddle with simple errors...
And you would know this how, exactly? Are you an architect? An engineer? An industrial/civic designer?
I personally believe that your Dunning-Kruger kicked in and knowing what a windbag/wiseacre you are, as demonstrated by the Lincoln Long Shit you lay in here on a daily basis, you wanted to impress your "GF" (the one that doesn't want to live with you) and take matters into your own hands, so to speak.Nope. Getting involved wasn't my idea, actually.
No. But when the house's main structure is a rectangle, it does show a certain lack of attention to detail.NashtonAlan Baker
...such as the house suddenly changing width by a half inch from front to back...
Oh dear, the world is coming to an end.
1. It was 2" wider than code and the loads involved required.NashtonAlan Baker
...such as the foundation wall structure being completely misplaced,
Misplaced how exactly?
2. It use'd an ICF form at the top designed to carry a brick veneer, but the veneer begins at the ground level, not at the level of the main floor, and the placement of the wall in relation to the ground floor was such that the ledge pushed the entire wall in another 2". The end result is a basement that is 4" narrower on each side than it needs to be; significantly reducing the useable floor space.
The ceilings were as high as both the zoning requirement of a main floor no more than 1.5 metres above the altitude of the centre of the street on the centre of the lot line, and the water table allowed. This gave a 7'9" ceiling height. But when the HVAC contractor started putting trunk runs in the downstairs living space, that was reduced to less than 7' unnecessarily over more area than was required. I redesigned the layout of the system so that the majority of the trunks is "disappeared" into closet spaces or positioned over doorways and by carrying beams where the head height is expected to be lower anyway.NashtonAlan Baker
such as no consideration given at all to the fact that the basement is a living space and there needed to be better routing of the HVAC systems to maximize headroom where the people were going to be).
So, were the ceilings too low?
The general contractor judged it, too. He agreed with my conclusions.NashtonAlan Baker
What it boils down to in this case is that the architect did the big picture work and it's fine, but when he handed off the drawing work to a junior in his firm, it was terrible... ...but they still wanted to charge as if the work was quality.
They still did the work. And who are you to judge it? what is your expertise in the field and how does an iPad repairman suddenly know about the intricacies of designing a home to the last detail?
Nope. But I will be charging this contractor and hopefully others for future work.NashtonAlan Baker
Even if the source is 2D drawings for permit, as long as the dimensions are appropriately given, I know I can do a good job of translating them into the drawings necessary for construction. And I can do so for a rate that makes me good money while offering the contractors a better price than architectural firms seem to want to charge for the grunt work.
So are you actually charging your girlfriend for this imaginary work?
Whoa!Actually, it may be my GF or her general contractor who sues them.NashtonAlan Baker
And simply, I like the work. I'll freely admit, I have a hard time creating from a blank sheet of paper--that's just not a strong suit with me, but given a work that already exists, I'm a really good editor. I can see how a design can be improved, tightened, made more efficient, etc.
I hope the architectural firm sues you for payment of the work done.
LOLNashtonAlan Baker
So I can do work I like, that I'm good at, that I can charge good money for.
Why wouldn't I do it?
There will always be suckers willing to pay, for sure.J. Bird SongNashton
Sounds like it could be interesting.
Yeah, maybe his gf will meet up with him more often at Tim Horton's for a donut and coffee more often.
But seriously, can anyone be more full of unadulterated shit as bakr?
The sad fact is that you come in here with the long, ill-informed diatribe, replying to me, but you've actually got me in your killfile, which make your address to me in the second person quite funny. And in your vitriol and envy at someone who has more talents than yourself, what you miss is that I have once again told the simple truth.
My girlfriend has the means to have a new house put up on her oversize lot in an area of Toronto where she very much likes to live and where its proximity to the subway station at the end of the line has raised the value of houses in the area; making it a very safe bet for her to get out everything she puts in plus a nice profit. My brother is a very talented designer and builder; albeit without the credentials to get the design permitted and without the scale of operation to take on the actual building.
So he did the designs in SketchUp, I got involved in the designs because I'm very good with using the software, and when my GF found a general contractor, he recommended an architectural firm that he'd used previously to help shepherd the house through the permitting process. I delivered a complete model of the house--foundation layout, interior and exterior walls, doors, windows, roof designs... ...the whole shmear--on November 8. They made a couple of changes that they suggested to the second floor plan (opening up the hallway at the top of the stairs and adding a laundry room)...
...and it took them six MONTHS to deliver the final plans for permit.
A huge part of that long delay, was having to get them to correct the errors that one of their (apparently) junior staffers was making. Things like exterior walls which were placed completely wrong--wrong to the point of it obviously making no sense whatsoever. And yes, I caught many of those errors, and had my observations confirmed by the general contractor.
Am I an expert in these things? Far from it, and I never claimed to be. But what I do know is that despite my admitted (to him) lack of expertise, the general contractor still trusts me more than the architectural firm involved to be the one to produce construction drawings.
These--as always--are just the facts.
-)-- Alan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
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