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Re: Stupidity in motion

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SubjectRe: Stupidity in motion
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Date04/18/2013 22:09 (04/18/2013 13:09)
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Followups-hh (2h & 56m) > ed

On Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:19:28 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

-hh
On Apr 17, 6:25 pm, ed <n...@atwistedweb.com>wrote:

On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 4:08:54 PM UTC-7, KDT wrote:

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KDT
Words Mean Things. It's quite telling that in a thread titled "Stupidity in motion." *Two* of the biggest idiots who post often don't know what an "asset" is. But on to the point, no one cares what *you* think the definition of a word is. The word "asset" has had a well defined meaning since the 1600's.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/asset

words do mean things. and in financial accounting and legal terms, a car is clearly an asset.

-hh
Which settles the question of definitions.

if someone were defining it in those terms. ;D

for household accounting and colloquial use, it's much less clear whether a car should be considered an asset. personally, i don't consider my car an asset for purposes of household accounting or calculating net worth,...

I follow you, but does this then imply that if the car isn't an asset, then the loan on it is?

of course not.

Sorry Ed, that's a Devils Advocate question,

i'm not sure where it came from- left field?

since they both cant be listed in the same column.

there's no reason to- just because you don't consider it an asset doesn't mean that the loan would be considered a asset. the car wouldn't be listed in *either* column- just as i wouldn't list all the random crap in my house that i could sell on ebay as an asset if i were working up my net worth, even though, technically, they'd be assets.

Similarly, even though we can agree that a car isn't a good investment, it is still a colloquial "asset" from the aspect that it is a desirable/useful tool to accomplish certain tasks.

and colloquially, a liability is something that costs you money. which cars do, even if it has no loan and has some value left. that's why this isn't as straightforward (outside financial accounting and the law) as 'a car is an asset.'

... just as i don't include the value of all my random crap that i could sell on ebay, as the purpose of me keeping track of assets and net worth is to see where i stand long term. bookkeeping the current value of a vehicle (and other assets) that will be worthless in 15 years adds nothing to that view. ymmv.

Ah, but that's a question do appreciation vs depreciation,

not reall; maybe i should have left out the long view- i wouldn't include it in a view of my net worth NOW either. ;D

as well as to what degree to ignore ankle-biters from the basic motivation of investments. By the same type of logic, you would want to also not include your house, since you always need to live somewhere....right?

if one were planning on living in their current house for the rest of their lives and passing it on to the kids(which some people do), that would not be a bad way of considering their house. a million dollar house that you own free and clear does one no good if they are unwilling or unable to pull money out of it and live a poor life as a result. but more practical people would clearly view a house with equity in it as an asset.

a house that's upside down might be a better example- technically it's an asset partially offsetting a large liability, but colloquially, you'll not get many people to agree THAT is an asset. ;D

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-Ed

-hh (2h & 56m) > ed